WCG are getting new hardware, refresh due to complete in July.

Hello!
I added Denis@home as a project in Boinc weeks ago and have not received any work to date.
But supposedly there are over 7000 units in progress.

Has there been no work for months or is it my fault?
What experiences have you had?

Many thanks in advance.

Yours sincerely, R.Lehmeier

Believed it was mentioned in the Number Crunching section, but the last run was resulting in huge WU result backlogs too so folks were not able to upload results due to the server being all filled up with WUs waiting to be cleared.

Also, this isn't like SETI or Einstein where this is one of the primary roles of the researchers. They still have their daily duties they had to tend to which takes priority at times over the project. It doesn't mean they aren't serious, but this isn't a project with a large budget.

What do you mean no science? His work is way different than anything else on here......So I don't know where you get the idea of no science.

If they don't validate the wus, they have NOT scientific results of their simulations.
And, if you don't have scientific results you have not science.
It's simple.

I don't know where you get the idea they are not validated.
The tasks are. I have only 3 pending.
Quit being impatient. This project works just like all the rest tasks come out, we process them and send them back. Their system processes them as it is programed to do. Tasks require 2 machines to process the results and then the task is put in queue for validation. Is that done by a human or a computer, I don't know. But I know he will not let the data go to waste.
This project is watched over much better than Rosetta which is a orphan child project now after being the leader for so long.

Boinc has a built-in system to validate the tasks but it does require Admin intervention to keep it running, whether they are using it, I'm guessing they are, or not doesn't matter that tasks ARE being validated! That means Science IS being performed, now whether it meets the Science they are hoping only an Admin can say. But for me I'm crunching here just like all the other Boinc Projects because I have no ability to do ANY Science Projects like Boinc has!!

Mikey...as you know there is a external project for protein folding you can run. But it is not with gridcoin. It is just its own world. But for non protein stuff, yeah BOINC is the only place I know of to crunch such stuff.

Thanks Greg-BE...I guess I'm sticking with Boinc then.

You guys have to remember..he is doing BETA testing right now. So it's not production level work yet.

Yeah, it's the reason I'm not asking questions. :-)
RAH is mostly keeping me busy with the taskings, and if I really wanted a deluge I'd open the valve for WCG completely!

just now there's nothing.

Yep, haven't completed any for the last 2 days, much less gotten a new task.

The whole work process seems to be very cyclical, each cycle taking roughly a week:
1. Large batches of work gets generated
2. Many rigs jump to crunch whatever they can grab
3. Tens of thousands of WUs get crunched in 1-2 days
4. Validator is overloaded once crunching nears its peak
5. Server runs out of disk space
6. Task upload and reporting barely works for 1-2 days
7. Work generation is stopped
8. Validator catches up in 1-2 days (including tasks that get re-sent because of missed deadlines)
9. All WUs get crunched and validated, project runs out of work.
10. Repeat from 1.

Tasks ready to send 22
Tasks in progress 67160
Workunits waiting for validation 7364
Workunits waiting for assimilation 0
Workunits waiting for file deletion 0
Tasks waiting for file deletion 0
Transitioner backlog (hours) 7.35

We're already ramping up for the next cycle, moving from phase 2 to 3.

You have 2,366,624 credit. Your stats for your sig is broken. The best stat site, Free-DC, is working. Use that.

Go to the source before you make bogus claims of no credit.

"Best" is subjective. I use BOINCStats because it gives me the summary I want without having to drill or search. Subjectively, that's the best for me. Over the past week, on several occasions, Free-DC hasn't been available to me, for whatever reason (I believe externally to my little kingdom). Subjectively, that's not helpful.

Wherever the problem lies, and whatever the reasons for it's not yet being addressed, I'm happy to wait, as I'm sure all others are. It is to be expected that after such a long lay-off there will be teething problems in firing up the project again. I'm happy to contribute by crunching, and pleased to see that so much work has gone through already. The BOINCverse had started to get a little boring with so many of the projects not concerned with addressing the immediate problems that humankind makes for itself. Denis is a ray of sunshine in that respect.

What do you mean no science? His work is way different than anything else on here......So I don't know where you get the idea of no science.

If they don't validate the wus, they have NOT scientific results of their simulations.
And, if you don't have scientific results you have not science.
It's simple.

I don't know where you get the idea they are not validated.
The tasks are. I have only 3 pending.
Quit being impatient. This project works just like all the rest tasks come out, we process them and send them back. Their system processes them as it is programed to do. Tasks require 2 machines to process the results and then the task is put in queue for validation. Is that done by a human or a computer, I don't know. But I know he will not let the data go to waste.
This project is watched over much better than Rosetta which is a orphan child project now after being the leader for so long.

Boinc has a built-in system to validate the tasks but it does require Admin intervention to keep it running, whether they are using it, I'm guessing they are, or not doesn't matter that tasks ARE being validated! That means Science IS being performed, now whether it meets the Science they are hoping only an Admin can say. But for me I'm crunching here just like all the other Boinc Projects because I have no ability to do ANY Science Projects like Boinc has!!

We have managed to clear the validation queue. Indeed, if we do not validate them, BOINC does not generate the results file... And that is our bottleneck when the hard drive fills up: without space, the server does not function properly, so it cannot validate, and there is no results file to extract from the server, which does not help to clear it...

What do you mean no science? His work is way different than anything else on here......So I don't know where you get the idea of no science.

If they don't validate the wus, they have NOT scientific results of their simulations.
And, if you don't have scientific results you have not science.
It's simple.

I think that now we are able to validate workunits faster than you upload new ones and the problem seems to be solved.

For me the problem is not the credits, but the fact that no validation=no science...

Europe is UTC+1. Since this project is in Spain his local time on the system is +1 to the UTC reported time

Yes I know. I've been there. I was wondering why both dates don't reflect this. There is a 3 hour difference between the sent time and receive time. My logs show a 2 hour difference between my received (download) time and my sent (upload) time respectively.

It was only a FYI comment. It makes no difference to anything.

Like this:

Name 	HuVeMOp_20240409142215232055_ORdInc_k_15-Pieske_1000-conf_131_1
Workunit 	19686803
Created 	9 Apr 2024, 12:39:59 UTC
Sent 	9 Apr 2024, 13:25:06 UTC
Report deadline 	12 Apr 2024, 13:25:06 UTC
Received 	9 Apr 2024, 15:36:13 UTC

MY TIME: UTC-4
2024-04-09 9:25:15 | DENIS@home | Starting task HuVeMOp_20240409142215232055_ORdInc_k_15-Pieske_1000-conf_131_1
2024-04-09 10:35:19 | DENIS@home | Computation for task HuVeMOp_20240409142215232055_ORdInc_k_15-Pieske_1000-conf_131_1 finished

I know about the 7x Boinc credits for WCG.

I was not trying to figure out the biggest bang for the buck between Boinc projects but just trying to figure out how each does it, matching it to what I see in my logs and their results and seeing if it all jives.

I think you are both saying the same thing as I did about WCG credits and Rosetta points and about your GPU vs CPU/FPU credits comparison: the more operations/second the more credits over a time period. This tells me each unit gets n credits and if you can chew up 10 units in a time period you get 10n credits but if the slower CPU/FPU (or low-end 4-core machine) only does 3 units in the same time period then it only gets 3n credits. Fair.

I've analysed all three now.
Both Denis and WCG report CPU/RUN times in the same manner where the 5950x is twice as long as the 3900x but the resulting credits are similar in points. This supports my theory that the 5950x is throttling itself. So I get less for less.

Funny that here, in Denis, the sent time matches my log start time but the time reported is one hour later than my log finished time. My suspicion is that the former is using my UTC offset which is -4 and the later is using UTC.

Now Rosetta must be using a fixed time WU. On my 4-core i5-2520M the run time is about 3 hours; same as my 5950x and 3900x. So I'm guessing it must know how much work gets done in that time and assigns credits accordingly. My 5950x gets less than the 3900x. Now this also supports my theory that the 5950x is throttling itself. Or does it use my Boinc benchmark which it stores in my profile for that computer. I'm waiting for more units to be available to test this.