Europe is UTC+1. Since this project is in Spain his local time on the system is +1 to the UTC reported time

Yes I know. I've been there. I was wondering why both dates don't reflect this. There is a 3 hour difference between the sent time and receive time. My logs show a 2 hour difference between my received (download) time and my sent (upload) time respectively.

It was only a FYI comment. It makes no difference to anything.

Like this:

Name 	HuVeMOp_20240409142215232055_ORdInc_k_15-Pieske_1000-conf_131_1
Workunit 	19686803
Created 	9 Apr 2024, 12:39:59 UTC
Sent 	9 Apr 2024, 13:25:06 UTC
Report deadline 	12 Apr 2024, 13:25:06 UTC
Received 	9 Apr 2024, 15:36:13 UTC

MY TIME: UTC-4
2024-04-09 9:25:15 | DENIS@home | Starting task HuVeMOp_20240409142215232055_ORdInc_k_15-Pieske_1000-conf_131_1
2024-04-09 10:35:19 | DENIS@home | Computation for task HuVeMOp_20240409142215232055_ORdInc_k_15-Pieske_1000-conf_131_1 finished

I know about the 7x Boinc credits for WCG.

I was not trying to figure out the biggest bang for the buck between Boinc projects but just trying to figure out how each does it, matching it to what I see in my logs and their results and seeing if it all jives.

I think you are both saying the same thing as I did about WCG credits and Rosetta points and about your GPU vs CPU/FPU credits comparison: the more operations/second the more credits over a time period. This tells me each unit gets n credits and if you can chew up 10 units in a time period you get 10n credits but if the slower CPU/FPU (or low-end 4-core machine) only does 3 units in the same time period then it only gets 3n credits. Fair.

I've analysed all three now.
Both Denis and WCG report CPU/RUN times in the same manner where the 5950x is twice as long as the 3900x but the resulting credits are similar in points. This supports my theory that the 5950x is throttling itself. So I get less for less.

Funny that here, in Denis, the sent time matches my log start time but the time reported is one hour later than my log finished time. My suspicion is that the former is using my UTC offset which is -4 and the later is using UTC.

Now Rosetta must be using a fixed time WU. On my 4-core i5-2520M the run time is about 3 hours; same as my 5950x and 3900x. So I'm guessing it must know how much work gets done in that time and assigns credits accordingly. My 5950x gets less than the 3900x. Now this also supports my theory that the 5950x is throttling itself. Or does it use my Boinc benchmark which it stores in my profile for that computer. I'm waiting for more units to be available to test this.

I have no data for this project but I did find that Rosetta seems to give points based on time and floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU which it finds in in client_state.xml from <p_fpops> and <p_iops>. When you do a Boinc benchmark it stashes it there.

WCG seems to assign credits per job regardless of time.

It's written up in the hardware forum over there.

That is definitely NOT the case. The only project that I am aware of (and at times participate in as backup project) is Einstein@Home.

In general, most projects award points depending on the amount of computations (cobblestones, as you can see for example mentioned on the certificate you can get at some projects, including DENIS). That's why a lot of pointw*****s favoring GPU projects, as there they get the most points in the shortest amount of time due to the high number of floating point operations per second compared to regular CPU/FPU computation...


Ralf

I don't know how long this has been going on...but I finally had a chance to check my stats in BOINC and saw the line going down, plus in my profile, I have all 0's for tasks.

That does not reflect my experience. My experience is that Denis goes up and down so sometimes I have none, and sometimes I have huge number of Denis tasls in my machine. As far as credits are concerned, in the last month the curve for Denis has gone up from 5000 to 5300; a small increase. My WCG has given a consideral increase but with much more variability than Denis. I have received no work at all on my Linux machine since last June for ClimatePrediction.

DENIS always (since I added it in October last year) had bursts of several 100,000 of WUs available, which is followed by several days of no new WUs at all, apparently until all outstanding WUs have been returned.
Right now, it seems that there have been no new WUs for the last two days now, and with the weekend already started in Spain/Europe, I don't expect another heap of new WUs showing up until Monday morning (my time, I am on the US West Coast, that's GMT-9 compared to Spain). Though it had happened a couple of times that there was a refill of WUs over a weekend...
Right now, one of my hosts is just crunching on the last DENIS WU (a slow i7 laptop) while another mobile i7 has 37 WUs left in the queue, which are currently just "ready" as they are due on the 31st and another project has some WUs that were on the back burner and are now due by the 30th...


Ralf

Doesn't matter. Someone had that as part of their post, I didn't look at who specifically.
But that is irrelevant to this project.

It is slightly relevant to this project if only for the fact that when WCG is down or spotty, more resources come to a project like this, at least for some time.

Cheers

But due to bad experience at the World Community Grid (which, with their handling of their projects, has probably driven a lot of folks over here in recent months, including me), PLEASE, even if things go bad, which is something that can always happen, try to post some update quickly about what is going on. And if the forum is taken down as well, put it up on your FB site or X.
Honest bad news is by the vast majority better received than no news at all.

I am one of those who came here from WCG, due to their two-years of downtime. Then pretend to be up, but the only tasks I get are MCM1, and nothing from the other four. And even MCM is down a lot of the time.
I also signed up for Universe and MilkyWay. But Universe seems to be going to only the Python stuff and he other only GPU that I do not allow. So I resigned from those two (yesterday).

(But for me, even FB is bad as I cannot login. They do not like my password, but when I go through the motions to change the password, they send me a 6-digit access code to prove I am at my e-mail address. but they do not accept the access code they send me. I seem to be banned as there is no way to speak to anyone: no telephone number, no working e-mail address, nothing. None of this is the problem of Denis, though.)

on WCG...did you read their tweet from last week?
Basically on a wild guess it will be the end of the month or later before they are back.

Not quite sure to whom and what you are referring to...

Other than the occasional server issue (growing pains) it sounds like your theories are progressing well.

Are you monitoring your system on the weekend for troubles?
I run my system 8 or so hours at night and 24hrs a day saturday and sunday. So if I get a server error I will know you saw it and will fix it. I hate having a backlog of tasks sitting on my system.

Is there some place we can go to look up what you are referring to?
Any way to provide a screen shot of what a "model" looks like?
What is the O'Hara and Rudy model?

Yes, we monitoring on the weekend, but with less frequency than other days. I understood you want to upload your tasks as soon as possible, and for that reason we are working on prevent the issues.

On the other hand, it is very complicated to explain how a model looks like. They are a lot of equations trying to represent how the different variables of a cell interact. The O'Hara and Rudy model is described in https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1002061. At some point I want to start writing some more informative articles on the basis of our research so that I can explain more complex things later. Classes have finished and a quieter period is approaching... Let's see if I can start with this idea.

Best,
Jesús.